Leaders and Their Stories

Richard Lowe (00:01.137)
Hello and welcome to the Leaders and Their Stories podcast. I'm Richard Lowe of the Writing King and ghost writing guru. And I'm here today with Daniel Holguin, Holguin, Sr. Who's going to talk to us about a whole lot of things. I've been reading his bio and it's very interesting and he's got a lot to say. So why you tell us a little bit about yourself.

Daniel Holguin Sr (00:11.64)
Yeah, Hogan,

Daniel Holguin Sr (00:22.926)
I am, I don't try not to define myself by this, but yes, I'm a cancer survivor, a former police officer, you know, of many years. just found my life, you know, has been, there's been a lot of struggle as a lot of folks have dealt with. I'm a father of five. And, you know, just I've learned throughout the years to be a student of leadership and I've learned to...

watching how folks are treated and how folks respond to certain things. mean, being a cop was, you you came across people at their worst around the clock. And so I really became a student of people and watching how people interact. And I haven't always done it the right way. You know, you're always a my father was always a pretty strict guy. So.

My dad's a pastor, he passed away in early January, 2024. But I really look up to the guy, was super important to me. And I just, you know, just as far as anything I've ever done, I've always considered myself, you know, blessed to be where I am, worked very hard to get where I'm at. And, you know, and it's just been, it's been a journey. It's been a real journey.

Richard Lowe (01:41.979)
And hopefully we'll find a little bit more about that today. I remember I've had, I think three or four encounters with police officers out in the street. used to also do some, some software for San Bernardino County's police department. So I got to know police from in the back, the administrative personnel and stuff is very interesting. I remember one of those encounters was interesting. I was in Joshua tree national park and you know, they have signs.

Daniel Holguin Sr (01:44.364)
Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (01:56.278)
well.

Daniel Holguin Sr (02:02.126)
Yeah.

Richard Lowe (02:10.813)
45 miles an hour, then like less than a quarter mile, 25 miles an hour, 15 miles an hour, 45 miles. And I missed one and I'm going like 65, 70. mean, I'm going well over the speed limit. So this cop's coming this way towards me and I'm like, God, I am nailed. So he did a UE and told me to get off into the campground. He didn't stop me in the street, which I always am thankful when police officers do that. Let me get off the road. And then I...

Daniel Holguin Sr (02:15.416)
Yes.

Daniel Holguin Sr (02:19.702)
wow.

Daniel Holguin Sr (02:26.824)
And here it comes, yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (02:38.2)
Yeah, absolutely.

Richard Lowe (02:40.485)
have been stopped maybe twice before that. what do I do? I get out of the car. And what does the cop do? Pulls his gun. And he said, get on the ground, blah, blah, blah. And I explained things to him. And he said, okay, I understand. Get back in the car and explained why he wanted me in the car. Said, put my hands on the steering wheel. He was really nice. Give me a warning. Yeah. Cause it was quite scary to me, you know, I've never had a

Daniel Holguin Sr (02:45.966)
wow.

Daniel Holguin Sr (02:51.896)
Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (03:03.61)
wow.

Very cool.

Richard Lowe (03:09.073)
gotten pointed at me before. This is many years ago, was like, no, no, no, I'm just a cool guy, you know?

Daniel Holguin Sr (03:13.742)
Yeah, hold on, slow down.

Richard Lowe (03:17.609)
I just got out of the car because I thought that's you're supposed to do. He's like, oh, gotcha.

Daniel Holguin Sr (03:20.302)
Yeah, absolutely. My dad used to do the same thing. So yeah, absolutely.

Richard Lowe (03:26.237)
So, and then when I'm in a store, like the other day I was at a pizza parlor and there was a police officer there, hit badge and everything, you the belt. think you guys wear, cops wear a lot of stuff now. It's like, what is that? Like a hundred pounds?

Daniel Holguin Sr (03:38.958)
Yeah, that's a lot. The vest and yeah, all that good stuff. Yep.

Richard Lowe (03:42.651)
I just start talking to him and at first he's real suspicious like who is this guy? And I just start talking to him, fellow human being. That's what I treated him as. And before you know it, we're in like a half hour conversation. Not about, I didn't ask questions about being a cop. just, we were just having a conversation about life and it worked out really well. I've never saw him again, probably never will. But why not, you know?

Daniel Holguin Sr (03:45.996)
Yeah.

Yep. Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (03:57.528)
Yeah, anything and everything.

Daniel Holguin Sr (04:02.232)
Sure. Yeah, why not? There's a lot of human factor, know, that's just missing these days.

Richard Lowe (04:04.805)
Yeah, so that was my

Richard Lowe (04:10.897)
Well, I kind of figured he probably runs into the worst as you said, so why not give him some of the best?

Daniel Holguin Sr (04:15.394)
Yep. Let us see something a little different. Absolutely. That makes total sense.

Richard Lowe (04:22.683)
Yeah, while we were there, while we were talking, this guy who's obviously from prison, he has prison tats and things, come up and joins the friggin conversation. He saw somebody being nice to the cop, he joins the conversation and asks a few questions with the cop, cop's like, fine, fine, and answers the questions. Treating everybody straight and everybody human, it went fine. This guy looked pretty rough.

Daniel Holguin Sr (04:28.588)
Mmm. Wow.

Daniel Holguin Sr (04:41.378)
Wow, very cool. Just got to get those spider senses down a little bit and make them a little less intense, right?

Richard Lowe (04:49.861)
You know, maybe cover up the tattoos and the neck, you But he seemed to be a nice guy. I probably wouldn't let him loose in my house, but you know.

Daniel Holguin Sr (04:52.366)
You're right.

Daniel Holguin Sr (04:58.732)
Yeah, no, he's not staying with me, but yeah, I get it. I get it.

Richard Lowe (05:02.141)
Yeah, I'm sure you have your share of adventures as a police officer.

Daniel Holguin Sr (05:05.486)
Yeah, I've seen everything, homicide, suicide, the water vehicle accidents, all of the dark side of humanity, all the things that man does to each other. it was at that point where I began to see that there was a lot of...

There's a lot of people that are lost out there. kind of, you know, it seems like they don't really have a direction. They're missing a map maybe. And sometimes they just needed compassion, a little bit of empathy, you know, that kind of thing. And someone to, someone to care about the situation they're in, someone to care about them as a person, see them as a person, like you just said. So, yeah, I had, I had to pull my gun many times as an officer. There's, there's been many times I've been shot at. So yeah, there's.

There's a lot of sticky situations, spent a lot of time dealing with with people.

Richard Lowe (06:06.653)
I'm sure when you were shot at you turned into Wesley Snipes or one of those guys just, you know, come...

Daniel Holguin Sr (06:09.614)
No, it was more of a, my God. I kind of, I got to back up, back up, back up, back up. It was interesting. Yeah, really interesting. had that, I was terrified. So yeah, absolutely. But I relied on my training and got out of the area and got behind cover. it was pretty scary even to this day when I think about it, real close calls.

Richard Lowe (06:36.167)
I've been watching a channel called Only Cops and what they do, they critique body cam videos and they critique a couple of cop shows. interesting what body cam show, it's like, don't you guys realize you're wearing body cams? You're doing.

Daniel Holguin Sr (06:39.153)
well.

Daniel Holguin Sr (06:43.736)
Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (06:50.798)
Yeah. And I came in, I came in the age before body cams. didn't exist when I was an officer. I was an officer from 93 to 2001 and they didn't have them in my department. And so we, we didn't, a lot of times it was a lot of that armchair quarterback, you know, we got a couple of seconds to make a a life changing decision. And then people have got years to look back at it and go, well, you should have done this. You should have done that. You know, so it, yeah. And I, we didn't have them. I was, I was kind of, it was kind of a different era.

Richard Lowe (07:06.801)
Yep.

Richard Lowe (07:18.863)
I think body cams have really are a super good thing. They really changed. I think the police departments and they certainly changed my impression of police cause now I get to see that two seconds of response time or one second or less, you know, it, it, think wearing body cams is probably the best thing that the police officers have done.

Daniel Holguin Sr (07:31.214)
Yeah. Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (07:41.624)
Yeah, it's able to bring you to the scene as a witness. Nobody can make anything up. No one can interject an opinion. You've got to witness it. So yeah, absolutely, I agree.

Richard Lowe (07:52.091)
Well, I everybody's using cameras and they're taking pictures of videos of it. So you need the counter of that. Cause those videos they put on TikTok usually have the circumstances cut off. Yeah. How did this, how did this person get into this situation? They, leave that out. Cause it's not as dramatic. so you said you also, I'm sure you do other things than have done other things than being a police officer. That's just interesting to me. So talk about those, your divorced father of five.

Daniel Holguin Sr (08:00.918)
One side. One side.

Daniel Holguin Sr (08:06.926)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Daniel Holguin Sr (08:18.614)
Yeah, father of five, yep. Divorce twice, as a matter of fact. So it's, let's put it this way, there's a, I, when I went to cancer treatment, chemo, radiation, I had three tumors, you know, my shoulder, two in my chest and went through all that. It had to go through a paracardial setesis and all this. And when I went back to the streets as an officer, I realized that my attitude towards death and towards

Richard Lowe (08:22.67)
Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (08:45.952)
loss and towards, because I'd come so close to myself had changed. I thought I had lost the edge, I guess you could say. I just didn't feel like I, you know, and I didn't want to write a desk. So I left the PD, in 2001 and I started in IT. I started working with Cricket Wireless at that time and as a trainer. And it was really kind of the only job in town at that point that was, it was available fairly quickly. And so I jumped into that and been in IT ever since worked for Dell.

Richard Lowe (09:02.557)
Okay.

Daniel Holguin Sr (09:14.382)
Computer Corporation out of Nashville for a little while in their help desk and worked my way up literally through the help desk and then on to senior support and then system administrator or network administrator and system administrator, eventually IT director and IT manager and then became COO of a MSP here in California and then I became the CIO for the city of Madera, California for some time and then

Richard Lowe (09:36.112)
ice.

Daniel Holguin Sr (09:43.34)
Now where I'm at is the technology officer for the Santa Rosa Rancheria Tachyocute Tribe in central California.

Richard Lowe (09:50.215)
Nice. Yeah. I was the director of computer operations at Trader Joe's. couldn't, they, wouldn't make me CIO because I don't have a degree. And they required that. And it's like, I've been doing this for 20 years. I don't need a degree.

Daniel Holguin Sr (09:54.2)
Bye bye.

Daniel Holguin Sr (09:57.866)
yes.

Daniel Holguin Sr (10:02.018)
Yeah, I'd say I've got a degree.

Richard Lowe (10:04.517)
And my boss had a degree in music, like that really helped.

Daniel Holguin Sr (10:08.736)
Yeah, if you got a degree in botany, you're good to go, right?

Richard Lowe (10:11.099)
Yeah, well, it's just factor was a decree. So I, that's when I left Trader Joe's. was one of the factors and became a writer. But that's, that's a very nice career. I find it very interesting.

Daniel Holguin Sr (10:13.122)
You

Daniel Holguin Sr (10:23.438)
Oh, years in the trenches. Just, and again, watching people listening to his and being treated badly, being treated, being treated horribly by some of the supervisors, some of the leaders. Then went to IDEX Corporation for a while. And when I went to IDEX, I met a guy who really changed my life, Dale Amico. He was my supervisor at that time. And the guy just, he listened to me. I felt heard. He treated me as though I mattered, you know, every day, every conversation.

Richard Lowe (10:25.359)
I know.

Daniel Holguin Sr (10:51.758)
No matter what the crisis was, I mattered. And to me, that was life changing for me. And that's when it kicked into high gear for me to say, there's got to be a different way to interact with people to get results, to get results. And so the old ways just weren't making sense. And then as I continued to go up that rung, started to see, we saw Gen X and

millennial and so on and so forth. And we saw how our paradigm was changing and you can't engage them the same way and get results, you know. So I really had to, I really had to become a great student.

Richard Lowe (11:21.521)
Right.

Richard Lowe (11:33.031)
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. makes a lot of sense. Tell me what the difference between a CIO and a CTO is.

Daniel Holguin Sr (11:40.44)
Well, I don't think there's much difference. think the CIO, CTO is just someone who's looking out for the technology side of things and hardware and a lot of the day-to-day operational infrastructure, disaster recovery and antivirus and cybersecurity things. Whereas the CIO probably would be more, in my opinion, CIO would be more of an overall

infrastructure design of, well, in the city it was a police department, a fire department, public works department, parks and rec department. There were so many other departments. And as a CIO, you're just literally overseeing all aspects of that city's operation. And we're here at the government of just the Rancheria side. we have a huge, in this native reservation, we've got an enterprise side, which is a huge casino and

and all kinds of other enterprises. And I'm not over that side. I handled just the government. So I think this technology part CTO is literally a guy who just deals with the daily grind of and making sure the sysadmins and net admins are doing what they got to do and that the help desk is functioning the way it should.

Richard Lowe (12:50.855)
got

Richard Lowe (12:55.197)
Yeah. Yeah. We only had a, we had a VP of MIS. We didn't actually have a C level for MIS. So I was out directly under him and yeah, that was, that was interesting times that I'm happy to be gone from. I was in corporate for 33 years as a VP twice. And then, and finally decided why am I working for corporate? All my effort is going for somebody else. And that's why I'm a ghostwriter now. And it's hard. It can be hard.

Daniel Holguin Sr (13:00.565)
there you go.

Interesting. Very cool.

Daniel Holguin Sr (13:14.658)
Wow.

Daniel Holguin Sr (13:18.744)
Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Yeah, there's so many different books that you've got out there and that's pretty awesome. That's quite an achievement, absolutely.

Richard Lowe (13:24.871)
But.

Richard Lowe (13:30.085)
I've written over a hundred in 11 years. Now you said, did you say you were writing a book?

Daniel Holguin Sr (13:37.036)
Yeah, I'm writing a book that kind of outlines what I've kind of touched on here. It's a book that kind of brings a little bit of who I am and my experience growing up, my experience. The book is, at this time, it's a working title, but it's going to be called My Pastor, My Father, My Dad, know, kind of thing.

Richard Lowe (14:02.812)
Okay.

Daniel Holguin Sr (14:05.23)
within those three dynamics, it discusses how I had a dad, but he was a pastor, right? But he was also more of a, there was a father role, there was a dad, because there's two different between a dad and a father for me. It takes someone special to be a dad, as the saying would say. And so I think there was a dynamic there in growing up in the household, super strict, super guidelines, and then getting into law enforcement and feeling that dynamic.

Richard Lowe (14:12.253)
Daniel Holguin Sr (14:34.774)
going into more of a, you know, with IDEX and moving out of that sysadmin, that admin field into management, realizing that it's more of an outline of how to engage folks. well, basically the first part is what I've learned, how I grew up, what were my influences, and then how I adapted those and changed those. You know, of course had to spend some time in therapy and, you know, spent a lot of time micro learning.

Right. And really just trying to dig, dig deep and the guys like Simon Sinek and, you know, just there's so many of these Chris Voss this they've got books out there that just really dig into and Chris Voss is there was the former host as lead host, a negotiator for the FBI. But just it talks about the dynamic, the human human interaction and how to how to lead folks. Sometimes you got to lead from the back. Sometimes you to lead from the middle.

Sometimes you lead from the front and not everybody's the same. So the book just kind of outlines my method in working with my crew, my people, my team and how to, and I lead them effectively. Cause let's be real. You've got, I've got one guy is a headbanger. I've got another guy who's completely quiet, just games all night and he's, he's 35 and the headbanger is 50 something. And then I've got, I've had another individual who's, who's two individuals from another country. And how do you.

Richard Lowe (15:39.741)
Nice.

Daniel Holguin Sr (16:00.184)
How do you reach all these different people and then keep them all pulling in one direction? Because not the same tactics work with the same people. So it's interesting. So that's what the book

Richard Lowe (16:11.229)
course, yeah, had a Pakistani and a not a Pakistani Palestinian and an Israeli working in the same office. That was interesting.

Daniel Holguin Sr (16:18.318)
wow. That's... Yeah, that could be colorful. I can promise you that. More than once, I'm sure.

Richard Lowe (16:24.965)
We had to separate them a few times. Yeah. Good. you're writing this book as a branding exercise or just because?

Daniel Holguin Sr (16:36.748)
Yeah, just because I feel like I need to get it from here and from here out. hopefully, hopefully there's there are some individuals out there who maybe can identify with my struggle or or even have something to add or or just even they get one piece from that and it helps them be a better leader or a better director. You know, I that would be great.

Richard Lowe (16:40.742)
Okay.

Richard Lowe (16:52.093)
Nice.

Richard Lowe (16:57.351)
So does it come, has it flowed naturally or have you had like, had to struggle with it?

Daniel Holguin Sr (17:02.798)
I've had to struggle with being vulnerable. I've had to struggle with being honest. I've had to struggle with saying things, exposing things to the world that I never thought I'd drag back out into the light. it has been, at times it's been a real struggle. Yeah.

Richard Lowe (17:18.673)
Yeah, that's probably one of the hardest parts is that I, as a ghostwriter, I encompass encounter is people have to tell me things that they wouldn't normally tell. Sometimes they don't want it in the book and sometimes they do, but I need the backstory sometimes like, okay, how did you get in this situation? And it can get very interesting. It can get very interesting.

Daniel Holguin Sr (17:31.083)
Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (17:38.092)
Yeah, yeah, it can get very, like I said, you bring out things. discussed my divorces in there. My first divorce was when I had cancer. She kind of looked at me and said, hey, I can't take care of you and the kids too. One of you has got to go. And so that's how that went down. And then the second divorce, was literally just a scenario where she went on with someone else and was doing her own thing behind my back. And I happened to catch her and that ended that. So if someone...

Richard Lowe (18:06.619)
And today would be TikToks all over the place.

Daniel Holguin Sr (18:09.012)
Yeah, exactly. So hopefully, hopefully somebody can say, you know, that happened to me or Hey, identify with that part of your story. And that really helped. And because I was looking for that, I was looking for someone who could, I can't be alone. Someone's someone's got to have gone through this before. isn't new. This is a human experience. So, you know, hopefully, hopefully it helps someone.

Richard Lowe (18:30.973)
I am sure that virtually every man and probably woman have gone through similar things or maybe not the exact same thing, but similar. I I was married for 12 and a half years and she passed away from smoking lung disease and COPD don't go together. Massive smoking. So it was a matter of time. And that was sad, but 20 years ago, you heal eventually.

Daniel Holguin Sr (18:43.48)
Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (18:50.934)
I already did. Yeah.

Richard Lowe (19:00.017)
Most of the time.

Daniel Holguin Sr (19:00.206)
Yeah. It's still there. It still sits in. You relive it again. You relive it again. Yeah, absolutely.

Richard Lowe (19:03.545)
surprises surprises me every time sometimes it comes up i'm like good i'm glad i'm nowhere anybody can see me you know

Richard Lowe (19:14.397)
That happens. Yeah, so how do you plan to market the book? you thought about that at all?

Daniel Holguin Sr (19:20.366)
Well, I'm looking at it in private independent publishing through you know Looking at Amazon looking at a couple other other opportunities other ways to do it I don't have anything right now set in stone about halfway through I think I do got a few chapters still to go But you know I'm getting to that point. So it's a very good question

Richard Lowe (19:40.413)
Well, I just, um, just finished a book that's going on live on April 15th. It's been my 64th book that I've written for myself and it's called the ghost writing advantage. I'm having a look at now. What do I do with it? You know, marketing and stuff. Cause it's to market me obviously it's ghost writing from your point of view. So it's not how to be a ghost writer. how to use a ghost writer and how to hire one and stuff like that. There's not a lot of books on it. That's 400 pages long.

Daniel Holguin Sr (19:56.608)
Absolutely, absolutely.

Daniel Holguin Sr (20:04.716)
Yeah, how that works. Absolutely. Yeah, and to be honest with there's a lot of folks out there that maybe don't understand. What is this? How does that work? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Richard Lowe (20:15.269)
Why write a book? I answer that first, you know, that's one of the first things I address is why, why the heck are you doing this in the first place? Whether you're not using Ghostwriter or not, why do you want to write a book? Go through that all the way down to marketing and publishing and everything. So you might actually want to take a look at it. It goes live on the April 15th.

Daniel Holguin Sr (20:29.997)
Yes.

Daniel Holguin Sr (20:33.934)
Yeah, absolutely. definitely want to look at any, like I said, anywhere I can get pointers, anywhere I can get help, I'm ready to do that. Absolutely. I'm open to it.

Richard Lowe (20:43.643)
Yep. Yep. So, let's see, I'm looking over here. So you've known poverty. you cut your teeth at the bottom of your industry. and you've held an office at the C-suite. talked about that and your father said, told you don't quit. That sounds like a great dad.

Daniel Holguin Sr (20:51.054)
Mm.

Daniel Holguin Sr (20:59.694)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, very stern, very, very black and white, not any gray, you know, and he he preached his last sermon, I think on a Wednesday night. And the last thing he said to the congregation, this congregation, he'd been in this congregation for the leader of this congregation for 40 years. And my dad was never his church was never big. It never, you know, it was never a mega church. was there were literally four or five people in the congregation. It wasn't it was very

It was struggle his entire life. was never any big private jets or Rolex watches. My father and mother struggled their entire lives, I think the last thing he said in his sermon on Wednesday was, don't quit. He's sitting in his wheelchair and he's preaching from his wheelchair. says, don't quit. I didn't quit, so don't you quit. And I remember my dad saying that to me and it wasn't but a week later he was gone.

that resonates with me, don't quit, don't step away, no matter what. When you want to, take a breather, take a step back if you have to, but don't quit. And that really stayed with me my whole life since I was a kid. He would always say that we were boys, finish the job was another one. Don't ever do a halfway job. Don't get into something and then leave it undone. That really bugged him. So he definitely drove those home to us, me and my brother, we were kids.

Richard Lowe (22:26.429)
Yeah, I've got somebody I should introduce you to. has a similar story about his father. And I'll send you his link on LinkedIn. My condolences about your father. Of course, you know, it happens, but it's always tough no matter what.

Daniel Holguin Sr (22:30.822)
wow.

Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (22:41.272)
Yeah, it is. And there's sometimes where it's just completely unbelievable. And then sometimes, like, you know, you know how that is. Sometimes you're just okay with it, you know? You learn. It's like losing a limb. You just learn how to function without that person, you know? It never goes away.

Richard Lowe (22:53.819)
Yep. Yep. Well, you've had an interesting life and it's going to be an interesting book. mean, I've never been shot at. I did have the, so I lived in an apartment and next door, there was next door. was woken up one day by some commotion from next door. And so I peek out the door and there's about, I would say 20 people. they were, they had, what did it say? The federal emergency,

Daniel Holguin Sr (23:00.81)
Yeah.

Richard Lowe (23:23.739)
response team for people who'd escaped from prison. And they were armed with machine guns, I mean, literally, and body armor like you see in the military, and my apartment next door. And the first thing I thought was, my walls are not bulletproof.

Daniel Holguin Sr (23:40.226)
Yeah, I'm gonna go lay in the bathtub or something.

Richard Lowe (23:42.685)
I, that's exactly what I did. They, the guy, turned out the nephew of somebody who lived there had, had escaped from prison. These were escaped prisoners they were looking for. So they, but he, he surrendered without a because these, these people were ready for a fight. They were like, we're, we're, going in.

Daniel Holguin Sr (23:53.357)
wow. So they packed him down.

Daniel Holguin Sr (23:59.079)
very cool. All right, well.

Daniel Holguin Sr (24:03.97)
Yeah, yeah, they want the element of surprise, right?

Richard Lowe (24:07.309)
And that was when I decided maybe that was the fourth shooting at my apartment. Maybe it's time to move. There was an accidental shooting. Somebody had an accidental release. So he was in his apartment and it went through the wall to the other apartment next door. The guy was sitting on the toilet and went over his head. If he had been standing, it would have gone through his heart. He said, yeah, time to move.

Daniel Holguin Sr (24:12.152)
Might be time to move.

Daniel Holguin Sr (24:27.242)
goodness.

Yeah, I'm gonna move tomorrow.

Richard Lowe (24:33.061)
Yeah, well, both of us pretty much moved out at the same time. It's like, okay, we're done. Cause you know, it was about six years ago. Yeah, was relatively recent. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I didn't talk to these guys, the federal guys, they look pretty mean.

Daniel Holguin Sr (24:37.336)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. How old were you when that happened?

Daniel Holguin Sr (24:43.774)
wow, okay, so we're too far back. Wow, okay.

Daniel Holguin Sr (24:54.958)
Yeah, one the tunnel vision. They got that one track mind when they're they're geared up. I remember yeah, I search warrants and that's how we were.

Richard Lowe (24:59.101)
Yeah, didn't want to make.

Richard Lowe (25:04.039)
think these are no knock warrants.

Daniel Holguin Sr (25:06.296)
Yeah, yeah, just walk up. I was always the guy on the key because I'm 6'6''1 and so the key was basically a sledgehammer. So I was the guy that would run up and whether they yelled search warrant or not, I was the guy who swing the sledgehammer and hit that doorknob and got it open so they could, and generally after they've done their crossover, I'd come in behind. But I always had the key. always, Hogan, you're on the key. So I said, all right, so every time we'd serve a search warrant, I had the key.

Richard Lowe (25:34.801)
Yeah, this was actually simpler. just knocked on the door and the guy opened it and they said he's in there and it was done. There wasn't, there was no violence, you know, he wasn't going to fight. There's all, he was, had at least half a brain going.

Daniel Holguin Sr (25:40.76)
That was... wow. Okay. No flashbangs, no smoke, no...

Richard Lowe (25:48.465)
No, they didn't have to do that. they almost looked disappointed.

Daniel Holguin Sr (25:53.355)
wow, let down.

Richard Lowe (25:55.013)
I was like, thank God, there's, you know, time to move. And the place I'm at has been totally calm, knock on wood.

Daniel Holguin Sr (25:59.192)
Yeah, either way.

That's great. That's great. It's good. It's good to have a peaceful place. You can sleep at night, you know, you have to worry about.

Richard Lowe (26:07.313)
Yeah. Yeah. We got, got a, I got a lake in the back and during the hurricane we just had, were alligators on my patio. There was a bobcat in a tree looking at me like, can you get me down? I'm like, you're on your own.

Daniel Holguin Sr (26:14.761)
wow. Man.

Daniel Holguin Sr (26:21.688)
Maybe they're telling you it's time to move.

Richard Lowe (26:24.317)
Yeah, no, it was a good place to be. The hurricane was almost a cat five. And when it hit me, 145 mile an hour winds and 18 inches of rain in three hours. It's the second most scary thing I've ever been in. The first being a forest fire.

Daniel Holguin Sr (26:29.163)
wow. Yeah.

Daniel Holguin Sr (26:35.158)
my goodness. Wow. Where were you at? Where are you at now that where this happened? is it? wow. That's amazing.

Richard Lowe (26:41.649)
Yeah, yeah, it's right here. was just this last year. It's very scary. The forest fire was worse. I was stuck in the middle of the forest, but in the middle of a fire, the firemen rescued me.

Daniel Holguin Sr (26:52.462)
We evacuate you and get you out and.

Richard Lowe (26:54.673)
They did a water drop on me. On my car.

Daniel Holguin Sr (26:56.974)
But obviously everything's still good, you didn't lose your home.

Richard Lowe (27:02.725)
No, I decided at that point it's time to off the mountain. this is Lake Arrowhead. 220,000 acre fire I think is a big one. Yeah. They got me out. Thank God. Otherwise I would have been finding out what the next life is.

Daniel Holguin Sr (27:06.594)
Wow.

Yeah, that's pretty big. Well, man, that's amazing.

Daniel Holguin Sr (27:19.63)
Podcasts from beyond. Right? That would be a cool one. Absolutely.

Richard Lowe (27:22.941)
That would be a cool podcast.

Well, we're coming to the end of our time. Got any final words for our viewers?

Daniel Holguin Sr (27:33.254)
I really appreciate the opportunity to come on and just carry on this conversation and interact with you. Rich, I really appreciate it. It's been very cathartic. It helps me to open up and it's been very unscripted. I love that. It's fantastic. So thank you so much.

Richard Lowe (27:50.493)
That's my favorite kind. We're not following a script. We're just having a conversation among people. All right. Well, thank you for coming on. This has been the Leaders and Their Stories podcast. I am the writing king and ghost writing guru. Oh, do you have a website or something where people can reach you?

Daniel Holguin Sr (27:55.234)
Yeah, absolutely. Yep, absolutely.

Daniel Holguin Sr (28:08.079)
Just right now I've got just the LinkedIn. It should be just LinkedIn.com and then Daniel Holguin, H-O-L-G-U-I-N, Senior, S-R. So, and they'll find me there.

Richard Lowe (28:16.605)
Great, great. Hopefully none of those criminals you arrested are looking for you and finding it.

Daniel Holguin Sr (28:22.542)
I won't.

Richard Lowe (28:26.087)
Just kidding. Anyway, well, thank you for watching and that's it for tonight.