Leaders and Their Stories

Richard Lowe (00:01.496)
Hello, I'm Richard Lowe and this is the Leaders and Their Stories podcast. I'm the writing king and ghost writing guru and I'm here with Lucas Blonder who's here to talk about an amazing thing that he's found out. Lucas, why you tell us about yourself and then about that.

Lucas Bonder (00:16.76)
Okay, my name is Lucas Bonder. I'm researching spirituality, higher consciousness, metaphysics, whatever is related to the human mind that can understand planet-space reality. And what I found out is that there's only one body. So physically, I want to prove that there's only one body and that despite we are seeing everything through a lens of distortion and separation,

it's only because we're in our bodies. But if we were floating around or in the universe, we would see there's only one body. So...

Richard Lowe (00:53.848)
do mean by one body? mean we all share a body or that we each have only one body? I'm not sure what you mean.

Lucas Bonder (00:58.512)
There's only one body in the universe. So your body and my body are just separate by space, right? But yeah, that's space and time, but at the same time, space or whatever is in the universe is the universe itself. So if you were going to go towards what non-duality says, where there's only one thing, if you want to have a non-dual awareness in the universe,

Richard Lowe (01:00.951)
Okay.

Richard Lowe (01:08.546)
Well, I assume space and time.

Lucas Bonder (01:28.08)
there has to be only one thing, which is the universe itself. yeah, so if there's only one thing, physically also there's only one thing, but that's the hardest part. Because if you go towards seeing a table and then saying, okay, I'm not the table, or I'm not the other person, or I'm not the other no-me. Psychology, when you're growing up,

you start developing the ego and so you start separating from everything and then you exist. Until you are 3-4 years old there's no me, there's only universe and that's what I want to help people get back to with their intelligence of an adult of course, but with their consciousness whether they are separated with everything so the previous just go away.

Richard Lowe (02:02.382)
Mmm.

Richard Lowe (02:18.892)
I see. So it's like a tree with, and then there's little leaves coming out that are us and we think we're separate.

Lucas Bonder (02:26.262)
Yes, it's not that we think we're separate, we're experiencing separateness and that's what's war, that's what's causing a lot of our mental problems or mental, let's say, I mean there's a lot of mental health issues in the world so I believe it's all based on

Richard Lowe (02:46.648)
No way, no way. There's not a lot of mental health, I'm kidding.

Lucas Bonder (02:49.872)
No, no, I really believe there's like a really serious thing about mental health and that if you're gonna use spirituality to treat or help people regain their freedom from ego, then it's something fantastic. It's not only for yourself anymore. It's not only to say, I did this, I discovered that. It's not about you anymore. It's about just sharing something that is more than yourself.

just resending to another dimension of consciousness.

Richard Lowe (03:23.406)
So that explain why it's often said that the more you help people, the more things come back to you.

Lucas Bonder (03:29.814)
Yeah, but that would be also from ego because you're doing just giving to receive The end point is receiving again So if yes, that's correct. It's karma. I mean, i'm not a A fan of karma, but I know it exists if you're gonna do good deeds good things are gonna happen to you But at the same time if you're open to giving because you really care about the other person because you're seeing somebody In front of you that might need that help That is not to receive

You can also give just a bit.

Richard Lowe (04:02.944)
I see. I see. Yeah. Like, Mother Teresa was very giving person, I guess. least that's the way she's from her PR worked.

Lucas Bonder (04:11.76)
Yes, absolutely. Or Moses or Jesus or all the awoken ones that were literally sent here to show us something. And some people are really waking up, really waking up, having, I'm meeting a lot of people that are having huge spiritual experiences and others are still suffering. So they don't know that they can, I think there's not so much clarity about what they're going to get in a spiritual path.

And that's, believe that's a topic we can discuss.

Richard Lowe (04:45.07)
All right, well, started it. Let's go on. Tell me more.

Lucas Bonder (04:49.036)
Yeah, yeah, so I believe that there has to be a clear intention to share what it's going to give you because people are still in a, people include myself, but we are still in a level of consciousness that we're trying to figure out first of all, what do have to do? And secondly, what do we want to get out of it? What's the experience? What is all the spirituality thing about? So, no, there's some people that reached

really higher levels and there are some people that are still struggling with their ego, with who they are all the time, thinking about themselves, right? Like comparison and it's not about you, okay? That's the whole message that all the prophets, all the teachers try to give. It's not about you, like forget about you for a minute and you will find amazing freedom, amazing freedom.

Just forget about yourself for a minute. There's a very good philosopher, think he was Chinese or Hindu or Japanese, where he was saying, you're just a thought in your mind. That really, yeah, that really stuck with me. Like we are just thoughts in our minds. So what happens if you silence your mind completely and you don't think about anything? Do you still exist? The challenge is the entire...

Richard Lowe (05:58.52)
Hmm, that's interesting.

Lucas Bonder (06:13.728)
Newtonian way of thinking which says I think therefore I am.

entirety of it. So I have a question for you. My question is... Yeah, my question for you is...

Richard Lowe (06:20.418)
Interesting.

Interesting. Okay.

Lucas Bonder (06:30.458)
Can you really have like Can you find can you really find who you are in your mind or is that just a thought of who you are?

Richard Lowe (06:43.65)
That's an interesting question. A little deeper than I expected to get, but I guess you could, because if you're part of a tree, you could obviously, maybe you can see the tree.

Lucas Bonder (06:55.865)
Yeah.

You could see the tree if you know you're part of a tree. If you don't know, what happens then? You clearly know when you're of something bigger, but what happens with somebody that is always traveling with himself? It's pure suffering and a lot of people are in that state. You go in the streets, you go for a walk and they're not that happy, everyone. You don't see so much happiness around.

Richard Lowe (07:17.335)
Interesting.

Lucas Bonder (07:25.38)
And I don't see so much suffering either. I see a middle point, but I think that really releasing those parts of yourself that no longer serve, just like stop thinking about you all the time. That's ego death. That's being like, that's like the major step into a higher state. Letting go of yourself for a minute.

Richard Lowe (07:26.126)
We'll just.

Richard Lowe (07:45.599)
And does this apply to animals as well?

Lucas Bonder (07:48.13)
Well, animals don't have self-consciousness. They're, I mean...

Richard Lowe (07:51.352)
So you say, mean, a dolphin, cats, I'm gonna see my cat do some pretty smart things.

Lucas Bonder (07:55.78)
They know they exist, but they can't rationalize themselves as humans do. They can't think about themselves or philosophize about the self. They just be. So they also have another kind of intelligence. They're so free from their mind that they're being all the time. They're just being. They're not thinking how to be. They're just being. Yeah.

Richard Lowe (08:01.324)
Okay.

Richard Lowe (08:17.568)
Interesting. Interesting. I assume this would apply if there were aliens in the universe. I assume this would apply to them.

Lucas Bonder (08:26.448)
Do you believe in them?

Richard Lowe (08:27.384)
I it's a big universe.

Well, I just read a thing that said there's a hundred trillion trillion trillion stars with more planets. I mean, it's hard to believe that we're the only one.

Lucas Bonder (08:36.026)
Yeah.

Lucas Bonder (08:41.294)
I'm sure there's other things around. What I'm not sure is if they're gonna contact us as everybody's expecting for it to happen. Why didn't they yet? Is it part of God's will?

Richard Lowe (08:55.65)
Well, the distances are vast. I mean, they're incredibly long. Between here and a star, here and a galaxy, here to the edge of the universe, just by Einsteinian physics anyway.

Lucas Bonder (09:11.36)
Yeah, yeah, I agree with what you're saying. Absolutely. The distance are very, very far away. But at the same time, we cannot comprehend another species unless we are them or we are connected with them. So I don't want to go into secret files or all those things that are being classified, but there's already evidence there's something wrong.

Richard Lowe (09:40.172)
Okay, well we won't go there. You've written a book, you said.

Lucas Bonder (09:46.136)
Yes, I've read two books.

Richard Lowe (09:48.11)
Two books, so what are they?

Lucas Bonder (09:49.712)
The first one is called Love for Wisdom. It's a book to help people reach another level of consciousness through understanding of the self and how to behave in a way that reaches you to other levels compared to someone who doesn't have a spiritual path. And the second one is called... don't know if I want to say it. Should I?

Richard Lowe (09:57.581)
Okay.

Richard Lowe (10:14.894)
I can always edit it out.

Lucas Bonder (10:17.336)
Nah, I will level it up. The second one is still, I'm still working on it, but it's called Think Like God. I believe it's the most, yeah, it's more powerful than the first one in terms of, but if we start thinking how God wants us to think, things will work out. I believe in God as a creator, and I believe he's created a fantastic universe.

Richard Lowe (10:40.642)
see.

Lucas Bonder (10:46.864)
so that we can somehow learn something from him. So he is the real teacher. We are just here students. And if we really really studying a lot, or learning a lot, I mean spiritually, then yes, we can be teachers as well. But you're gonna teach only what you know. the whole point is that going from the first point where God created the universe, in my perspective, there's some people that don't believe in God, but in my perspective, God created the universe.

and then he created heaven, created earth and then depending on your level of consciousness you're going to reincarnate or not then that shows you everything that shows you the whole picture

Richard Lowe (11:34.38)
Okay, interesting, interesting. Yeah, I was watching a documentary on YouTube about the brain and you've got eyes and the light from say this screen hits my eyes in nanosecond, know, even faster. But you've got sound and that hits in milliseconds and you got taste takes a few seconds. Now the brain also sees little itty bitty, it doesn't see this big picture, it's actually moving it around all the time.

Lucas Bonder (11:41.754)
Yeah.

Lucas Bonder (11:49.968)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Richard Lowe (12:02.486)
and then it erases all the fuzziness. So somehow the brain puts all of these senses together, even though they're time delays, and it predicts the future. So it predicts where you're going to be. And I look at that and I think, you couldn't tell me that that's by just natural selection. This was designed. There's no way.

Lucas Bonder (12:24.314)
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. So my point is, if we're in a perfect universe, what about evil?

Richard Lowe (12:36.568)
Well, every coin needs a second side.

Lucas Bonder (12:39.15)
Yeah. And every action, every action and every light, shadow. But my question is if there's, if God is good, I'm just, I just want to make the viewer of this podcast like think, because this is the major flaw of why people don't take so much of a spiritual path because they're so caught up with evil in themselves and around them, around them more.

that evil becomes a defense mechanism. So my point is, can you let go of evil, or is it just inherent in the human being?

Richard Lowe (13:20.846)
Well, there's something called a force multiplier. And let's take the Boston bombing, okay? Two little bombs went off in some trash cans. Yet the entire country panicked and locked down everything and it was a huge mess and so forth. But there's two bombs in a trash can. So that was evil, obviously, you know, throwing off the two bombs there. They had political motives or some motives, whatever their motives were. But

they were depending on the force multiplier effect because what was something that was actually, I mean, it was very small, became very large, partially because of the news and partially because people panicked and the government made it bigger. And that's a phenomenon that probably applies to what you're talking about is evil. I mean, could Hitler have become what he became without people agreeing with it and following him?

Lucas Bonder (14:15.648)
Absolutely, that's the whole point. Recognize your evil side so you can take it away. Unless you're pointing everyone with your fingers and then you are the good guy and the world is absolutely upside down. yeah, I believe that the only way as Jung said to work on your shadow is first to look at it. It's if you don't see your shadow.

Richard Lowe (14:39.875)
Of

Lucas Bonder (14:41.09)
If you saw a lot of your shadow and you really, really perfected it and turn it into light, then you're an archimist and you're someone with a transformational power. But, if you are not even recognizing your flaws, you don't have self criticism. What are you going to work on? You're perfect. Right. Yeah. You don't have any, anything to perfect. So I believe that insecurities, flaws, evil.

Richard Lowe (14:51.726)
Hmm.

Richard Lowe (15:01.922)
Interesting, interesting.

Lucas Bonder (15:11.898)
Bad deeds, everything is so that we finally come back home, which is God, and we let go of all our evil side if you want to, because some people want to be evil. But if you really, really want to go into a karma path, or a good karma path, then let go of evil. Yeah.

Richard Lowe (15:33.43)
Interesting interesting. Well, we're running out of time. So is there any last thing you want to leave our listeners with?

Lucas Bonder (15:44.144)
If I have to say one thing is there is no such path as strong for the self to experience such as a spiritual path. So I believe some have it, some don't. I know for experience because I know people who don't have it and there are people who do have it. But I would absolutely recommend having a spiritual path and having a teacher always to guide you in the path. It can be a rabbi, can be a guru, it can be whatever.

but have someone to guide you until you are free from evil consciousness, which is the lowest. And then there's much levels to ascend. I'm still ascending in my own path. I am not yet where I wanna be, but I'm really happy with this path. I'm really happy.

Richard Lowe (16:31.928)
Nice, nice. Well, thank you for coming. This has been the Leaders and Their Stories podcast. I've been here with Lucas Bondar. How would we reach you if we wanted to reach you?

Lucas Bonder (16:41.744)
You can reach me at bonderluques at gmail.com.

Richard Lowe (16:46.316)
Okay, very good. Appreciate you being on the show. My name is Richard Lowe. I'm the ghost writing, excuse me. I'm the writing king and ghost writing guru. And you can reach me at thewritingking.com or ghostwriting.guru. And thank you all for listening and come to the next one. Thank you very much.

Lucas Bonder (17:04.442)
Thank you Richard.